Редактирование: Universalis 1

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'''Story so far''': [[Universalis 1/Log|link]]

'''Players''' (listed in turn order): {{User|EvilCat}}, {{User|Neonwhite}}, {{User|GiacomoArt}}, davina

== Components ==

*[[Characters]]
*[[Locations]]
*[[Props]]

== Tenets ==

* Naval adventure.
* Lovecraft-esque horror. ([http://katemare.livejournal.com/10579.html?thread=19027#t19027 Details], [http://katemare.livejournal.com/10579.html?thread=29523#t29523 2])
* Pseudo-historic setting of Elizabethan time. ([http://katemare.livejournal.com/10579.html?thread=23123#t23123 Details])
* Moral choice between sin and virtue.
* No supernatural facts or components can be introduced into the game until there are 3 or 4 characters marked with "'''sympathetic character'''" trait. ([http://katemare.livejournal.com/10579.html?thread=31571#t31571 Details])

* No interrupts in mid-narration.
* Try to challenge only such details and/or in such way that preceding text wouldn't have to be overwritten.
* If a player doesn't act on his turn for a day, the next player can take the turn for free, or any other player can take it for {{C|1}}.
* Refresh rate for each scene based on the number of players who get refreshed: {{C|12}} for 2, {{C|8}} for 3, {{C|6}} for 4, {{C|5}} for 5 or more.
* When newly created Components are introduced to the Scene, [[Events]] describing their discovery are free.

== [[Scene 1|Scene #1: Sea Battle]] ==

Framed by GiacomoArt, continued to Scene #2.

== [[Scene 2|Scene #2: During the Storm]] ==
Framed by {{User|EvilCat}}

Components palette:

{{Components-12
| {{Component|the Caribbean Sea}}
| {{Component|[[Storm]]|traits = sinister, supernatural, violent, heavy rain (x2), howling winds, <s>monstrous waves</s>}}
| {{Component|[[Spanish galleon]]|traits = cannons, huge}}
| {{Component|[[Pirate sloop]]|traits = cannons, agile}}
| {{Component|master=1|[[armed sailor]]|traits=melee weapon, wheellock pistol}}
| {{Component|[[Nicole Tissot, pirate queen]]}}
| {{Component|[[Galleon's crew]]|traits=''armed sailors'', crew}}
| {{Component|[[Sloop's crew]]|traits = ''armed sailors'', crew, experienced, great teamwork}}
| {{Component|[[Sharks]]|traits=a slew}}
| {{Component|[[Will Bowyer, seadog]]}}
| {{Component|[[Ship's boys]] #1 and #2}}
}}

== [[Scene 3|Scene #3: Separated]] ==

Framed by {{User|GiacomoArt}}.

Continued to Scene #5.

== [[Scene 4|Scene #4: Isle of Teeth]] ==

Framed by {{User|NeonWhite}}.

{{Components-12
| {{Component|[[Isle of Teeth]]|traits=sinister reputation, reefs and rocks surrounding}}
| {{Component|[[Will Bowyer, seadog]]|traits=''armed sailor'', experienced navigator, disrespects Alano, intolerant of weakness}}
| {{Component|Men|traits=disrespect Alano}}
| {{Component|[[Alano]], biologist|traits=wounded, lucky, disrespected by sailors, fascinated by dog things}}
| {{Component|[[Dog things]]|master=1|traits=ugly, nasty bite, fact: unknown species}}
| {{Component|Small rowboat}}
}}


== [[Scene 5|Scene #5: Morbid Discovery]] ==

Framed by {{User|GiacomoArt}}.

{{Components-12
| {{Component|Rocky promontory|G|}}
| {{Component|[[Nicole Tissot, pirate queen]]|G|traits=''sympathetic character'', French, red hair, veteran of many battles, blademaster, deadly accurate, fights dirty, sleight of hand skill, strong spirit, cruel, beautiful, seductive wiles, strong stomach, ''off-hand dagger'', clothes are soaked, promise to aid Santiago, doesn't give a fig about unfair promise, wants Santiago's blood x2, sore, tired, thirsty}}
| {{Component|[[Santiago]], former prisoner|N|traits=''sympathetic character'', skilled with sword, practiced in stealth, calculating mind, deceptively strong, lightning fast reflexes, adventurous, teasing nature, recently betrayed, nightmare and sense of foreboding, has saber, has wineskin, ...with fresh water, attracted to Nicole x2, alert to risk of Nicole's betrayal, hungry}}
| {{Component|[[Coconut palms]]|traits=a patch|exited=1}}
| {{Component|[[Coconut thief crab]]|traits=large, holds a coconut|exited=1}}
| {{Component|Barrel|exited=1}}
| {{Component|[[Dog corpse]]|traits=''[[dog thing]]'', stench, contagious|master=1}}
| {{Component|Crabs|exited=1}}
| {{Component|[[Tropical beach]]|traits=lines the land, clear blue sky, littered with flotsam, littered with [[dog corpse|rotting dog things]]|exited=1}}
| {{Component|Off-hand dagger|G|traits=''Nicole's'', balanced for throwing, masterwork weapon, razor sharp}}
}}

Coin count: {{User|EvilCat}} - {{C|4}}, {{User|NeonWhite}} - {{C|10}}, {{User|GiacomoArt}} - {{C|9}}, davina (currently inactive) - {{C|25}} .

Complication dice pools: GiacomoArt (Nicole's side) - {{D|10}}, NeonWhite (Santiago's side) - ?

== Replies ==

Reply under this header, please.

=== GiacomoArt ===
{{Sidebar|Return to the end of scene #3 ({{C|1}})

Nicole
*beautiful ({{C|1}})
Santiago
*adventurous ({{C|1}})
*attracted to Nicole ({{C|1}})

Event: Nicole spies (and starts toward) higher ground ({{C|1}})

{{C|5}} from my current {{C|20}} leaves me with {{C|15}}.

{{C|5}} from my bid {{C|15}} leaves me committed to spending {{C|10}} more.}}

Nicole moved on up the beach, satisfied that she didn't want to tangle with a beast the size of that crab in her present condition, and that the coconut trees would still be there if she couldn't find an easier source of fresh water soon. Best, for the moment, to follow the coast -- get out from this inlet, maybe find a promontory to climb, and look for any signs of a stream or even a settlement.

Behind her, as Santiago continued to follow quietly along, he couldn't help but feel that his luck in the light of this new day had continued to hold. If he was going to be shipwrecked, better to be shipwrecked with someone. And if he was going to be shipwrecked with someone, well... despite her bedraggled condition, there was no mistaking, this was a fine figure of a woman. Dangerous, too, to be sure -- not some damosel who'd been held captive on the sloop; her attire and movements, even the determined set to her jaw, clearly marked her as a full member of the crew -- but he hadn't set out for the New World because he liked to play things safe. No matter how things played out from here, she would certainly provide an interesting twist to this latest adventure.

Rounding the mouth of the inlet, Nicole did indeed spy high ground up ahead. Catching a second wind at the sight of it, she moved on with a renewed sense of purpose.

==== NeonWhite ====

Don't you need to pay to exit the crab from the scene? 
[[User:Neonwhite|Neonwhite]] 22:03, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
: Not if he wants to leave the focus of the scene wide, he doesn't, I think. [[User:EvilCat|EvilCat]] 23:41, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

=== EvilCat ===
{{Sidebar|* corpse (3 coins)
** ''[[dog thing]]'', stench
* crabs (1 coin)
Event (1 coin): The smell wafted to Nicole.<br>
-5 coins, {{C|3}} left.

Complication: a morbid scene to instill dread, 5 dice.
Traits drawn: corpse, stench, ugly, crabs, tired.}}
The way to the cliff's top was a gentle slope, easy enough for aching legs. It was a sure walk. Then, the wind has turned, and Nicole noticed a strange smell. After a few steps, it became more evident, and grew overwhelming another few steps later: a rotting stench with a hint of sweat. It obviously came from a pile at the surf. Casting her tired eyes to the shoreline, Nicole noticed a busy movement...

The pile turned out a decomposing corpse of some hairy creature. Two black crabs, smaller than the last one, was nipping its crimson flesh. The only eye, the color of gold, was staring back at Nicole, and uneven teeth grinned in a crazy smile.
{{-}}

=== Morbid Sight Complication ===
'''Neonwhite''' passed.

==== GiacomoArt ====

Well, she's a named character with a "strong spirit", so that's 2 dice right there. Methinks another die is appropriate for "cruel", which has to make her less prone to internalizing any horrors that might happen around her. I'm also going to pay {{C|1}} to officially establish that she's "'''a veteran of many battles'''", because she sure didn't get to be a pirate queen without that, and it'd make her pretty jaded about corpses and such. 

That's 4 dice, then, and I don't see any call for pushing it farther.

I'm down to {{C|14}}, and committed to spending {{C|9}} more on the scene.


==== NeonWhite ====

I would probably have stepped in at this point (to take control of Santiago and to move the scene forward), however with no interrupts I am not sure I am able as it is Cat's turn now.   

Anyway, I don't feel strongly about the outcome, so I am happy to remain on the sidelines and support neither pool. A couple of other components might come into play, however:

* Clear blue sky in support of Nicole (and Santiago)
* If Santiago is considered a target too, his sense of foreboding and dread may count against him. 

Cat, I suppose it is obvious that the source of the obstacle is the corpse + stench, however is the target intended to be Nicole alone or Nicole + Santiago?


[[User:Neonwhite|Neonwhite]] 07:11, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

==== EvilCat ====

Now that I read the rules better, I'd like to refine the tenet: you can't interrupt in mid-narration, simply by virtue of this being a post-by-play game, but you can usurp turn for 1 coin as usual. This is what I meant originally. So, you can take your turn and add to narration.

Currently, the target of the complication is just Nicole. See felt the stench and saw the corpse because of "stench wafted to Nicole" event. If you take over Santiago and make him notice the scene too (as I see it, he's quite far behind), you can use him in complication and he'll become a target, too. Hehehe %)

[[User:EvilCat|EvilCat]] 10:20, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

==== GiacomoArt ====

The clear blue sky makes sense to me, and I'm happy to take it, so 5 dice to 5 dice. Are we ready to resolve?

--[[User:GiacomoArt|GiacomoArt]] 13:08, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
[[Image:dicetool.png|thumb|EvilCat's roll]]
==== EvilCat ====

Since NeonWhite didn't step in, we are.

I roll {{D|5}}... 1, 1, 2, 4, 6. Four successes.

[[User:EvilCat|EvilCat]] 14:40, 27 April 2009 (UTC)


==== GiacomoArt ====

And I roll... so well it makes me wish we had a shared virtual table to preserve our dice on. I could make one, but then I could hack it effortlessly, too, so that doesn't help me personally. Anyone know of an existing place we could use?

{{D|5}}... 4, 4, 1, 4, 1. Five successes. 
Anyway, that gives me the resolution and {{C|14}}, doubling my reserves, with {{C|5}} going to EvilCat.

--[[User:GiacomoArt|GiacomoArt]] 15:59, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

==== EvilCat ====

Well, at least I returned the coins I spent %)

[http://rptools.net/ RPTools] has tools for online gaming, but so far I used only dicetool (see above). A table for dice rolls, card draws and hidden notes is one of the features I want to code for my server... But this way ''I'' can hack it effortlessly, and you know that sometimes my server is down... Your (and NeonWhite's) call.

[[User:EvilCat|EvilCat]] 17:08, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

==== NeonWhite ====
We could use http://dicelog.com/dice.  
I'll wait for G's resolution and then take my turn as usual.
[[User:Neonwhite|Neonwhite]] 17:46, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
: After G's (winner's) resolution there is my (loser's) resolution, and then turns proceed as usual. From the example in the book (revised pg.116), after the last loser finishes narrating his resolution, it's his normal turn, then the next player's, and so on. [[User:EvilCat|EvilCat]] 18:21, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

=== GiacomoArt ===
{{Sidebar|Nicole
* Strong stomach (1)
Change Location to…
* rocky promontory (1)
Exit: Coconut palms, Coconut thief crab, Barrel, Corpse, Crabs <br>
Total cost: {{C|7}}. {{C|21}} remaining, {{C|2}} still to committed to the scene.}}
I don't have the book at hand to refer to, but thought I should do my best to keep things moving. Hope I didn't overlook anything with the resolution...

'''"Tough luck, pooch," Nicole muttered, unmoved by the gruesome sight, but happy to put more distance between herself and the stench as she headed on toward the high ground.''' 

--[[User:GiacomoArt|GiacomoArt]] 20:31, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
{{-}}
=== EvilCat ===
{{Sidebar|* 1 coin to make "[[dog corpse]]" a master component.
** Contagious (1 coin)
New traits:
* Tropical beach (2 coins) - littered with rotting dog things, lines the land (replaces "along the inlet"?).
{{C|4}} spent, 4 left. Neon's turn.}}
From the high point, Nicole could see a long beach lining the land she was washed to. The bleached color of sand was spoiled here and there with dark spots: flotsam, coconuts, seaweed, the late pooch... And one more at the other side of the cliff... And what might have been several corpses piled together, considering the number of crabs feasting there... Something took lives of these beasts, easily a plague.

[[User:EvilCat|EvilCat]] 20:59, 27 April 2009 (UTC)


=== NeonWhite ===
{{Sidebar|* 1 coin to take control of Santiago.

New traits for Santiago (5 coins):
* Additional attraction to Nicole (now x2)
* Hungry
* Skilled with a sword
* Practiced in stealth
* Calculating mind

For an additional coin, I will also nominate him to be a 'sympathetic character' if there are no objections.

{{C|7}} spent, 13 left. G's turn.}}
Santiago continued to follow the woman, admiring her fine form even more now that he knew it was not subject to a womanly aversion to death.

His rumbling stomach gave him pause for a moment as he recalled the large crab recently left behind.  A sharp thrust of the saber would be child's play and it would be fresh seafood for lunch.  Perhaps she would dine with him....

Pushing fantasy out of his mind he focused his attention on the woman and chose his steps carefully to avoid detection.  He would reveal himself to this woman when it suited him. And when it favoured him.

[[User:Neonwhite|Neonwhite]] 22:50, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
{{-}}

=== Perception Complication ===

==== GiacomoArt ====

Well, let's not take his success for granted any longer: I say prove it as a complication, with Santiago trying to prove Nicole remain oblivious to him as a fellow component of the scene. I figure that's a simple 1 die for me (named character) / 2 die for Neonwhite (named character + practiced in stealth) resolution.

--[[User:GiacomoArt|GiacomoArt]] 21:13, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

==== EvilCat ====

Nothing in the original rules says that a player can't draw upon traits in favor of a dicepool he isn't involved in, and revised rules explicitly allow it. So, I'd say that Nicole's condition, "tired" and "sore", adds 2 dice to Santiago's side.

[[User:EvilCat|EvilCat]] 22:17, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

==== NeonWhite ====
Ok, four dice for me then.  I have rolled at https://dicelog.com/logdice.

5 + 5 + 3 + 1 = 4 successes.  

Both of you will have to register first in order to view the dicelog.  Once you do so let me know your email address and I will set-up your email account to be able to view the log. (Cat, I have already given access to 'soevilcat@gmail.com' but let me know if you wish to register using a different email address).  G., I will need your email address.

[[User:Neonwhite|Neonwhite]] 23:07, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

==== EvilCat ====

What a beautiful yet functional service! Gmail e-mail is ok, don't change it.

Actually, GiacomoArt can't beat 4 successes with 1 die or add dice to a complication in the mid of its resolution. (Rules-wise, he can challenge my draw, but I don't see any ground for that.) Regardless of his roll, he gets {{C|1}} for his one die, and you get {{C|14}}, the sum of your successes. You can narrate the outcome.

[[User:EvilCat|EvilCat]] 23:39, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

==== Neonwhite ====

I didn't think about it at the time, however I shouldn't have started the resolution until he agreed the dice pool was closed (after you submitted the two extra traits for Santiago he may have wanted to add dice in support of Nicole).  I'd like to hear from him that he is ok to let things proceed.  If he wants to submit extra dice, I can reroll...

[[Special:Contributions/85.118.26.166|85.118.26.166]] 07:42, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

==== EvilCat ====

I thought about something, too. The way it is now, the complication is a simple skill check. It's not dramatic, the question of whether Nicole will ''notice'' hiding Santiago is not significant to the story overall. I'd propose a Rules Gimmick: ''in this case'', the bonus coins not spent on narrating the outcome are lost.

If the situation changes (complication is not petty anymore) or anyone challenges, I withdraw my proposal. It's not jealousy of wealth or something %)

[[User:EvilCat|EvilCat]] 09:52, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

==== NeonWhite ====

I will challenge that gimmick (and only partly out of self interest)!  We are not contesting whether Nicole notices Santiago, we are contesting the opportunity to narrate the outcome of the complication. It is up to the winning player (and the losing player) to do that narration in a suitably dramatic and plot-furthering manner .  The challenge may seem trivial but the outcome can be anything but trivial.

[[Special:Contributions/85.118.26.166|85.118.26.166]] 11:22, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

==== EvilCat ====

As per said above, challenge sustained %) Just wanted to make sure we won't use itty-bitty complications as coin generators...

[[User:EvilCat|EvilCat]] 12:06, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

==== GiacomoArt ====

GiacomoArt is also my gmail.com account.

And just to keep things interesting (which was indeed the point, and calling for a 1D to 4D complication IS just giving away charity coins) I do want to pay for a couple of dice, which brings us to a 3D/4D complication.

* Nicole's on high ground (good view).
* A stone on the ascent up the rocky promontory slips under Santiago's foot, clattering away down the hill.

That brings me down to {{C|19}} and fulfills my commitment to the scene.

Anything more?

[[User:GiacomoArt|GiacomoArt]] 13:44, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

==== EvilCat ====

I pass. 14:54, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

==== Neonwhite ====

G..., you can't introduce an event relevant to the complication for a component you don't control... so I would challenge you on the stones slipping under Santiago's feet as not allowable...

[[User:Neonwhite|Neonwhite]] 21:29, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

==== EvilCat ====
I'd say that it's not an event, it's "buying dice directly" (revised pg. 103): ''buying dice allow players to purchase modifiers for features, advantages, or disagvantages that are temporary to the scene''. [[User:EvilCat|EvilCat]] 21:38, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

==== GiacomoArt ====
Yes, I was using the rules for buying dice directly, which dictate that you have to provide a narrative justification temporary to the scene. I was also careful to word it so that the terrain (which I currently control) betrayed Santiago, so as to not ascribe an action to him. I stand by the validity of it.

[[Special:Contributions/24.144.41.10|24.144.41.10]] 03:39, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

==== NeonWhite ====
Ok, I have added you to the dice server and you should see it now when you log-in with your Gmail address.  

I am happy with the complication as it stands (4 dice against 3). For the sake of getting on with it(!) I have rerolled my four dice. 

4 + 8 + 4 + 8 = 2 successes (see the dice server for confirmation). 

Let's see how you go G.

[[Special:Contributions/85.118.26.166|85.118.26.166]] 08:03, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

==== GiacomoArt ====
I was better off when I accidentally rolled just one die! :oD

Zero successes, so {{C|3}} for me -- bringing me back to {{C|22}} -- and NeonWhite gets {{C|8}} plus narration rights.

=== NeonWhite ===

(No successes hmmm, some implications for Nicole then!)

''Nicole continued to trek uphill, eventually reaching a rocky promontory where she paused for a moment to look out at the sea.   Santiago likewise followed her in the climb.  When the stone slipped its clattering down the hill clearly carried across the short distance separating Nicole and him.''

''Nicole spun in surprise and laid eyes directly on a startled Santiago.  In doing so, however, the same ground that had betrayed Santiago, betrayed her.  The loose ground at her feet gave way and, with a scream, she slipped backwards and over the edge of the cliff.''

''Though fearing the worst, Santiago's  approach and glance over the edge showed that she had managed to grab hold of the rocky slopes and was holding on grimly.  A smile played over Santiago's lips as he considered the possibilities. "Of course I will help you up, as I would any maiden in such desperate need of a man's help, but first you will swear only to aid me until we are off this cursed island."''

''Nicole's eyes burned hot with fury at his patronising tone but seeing no other choice, she nodded once in agreement to his demand.''

''Bracing himself, Santiago leaned forwards and, taking hold of Nicole's arm, swung her onto the clifftop with a single fluid motion.''

''"And I.... am Santiago" he said, with just a hint of mockery in the tone of his voice and the formality of his slight bow.''

Traits: (3)
*Nicole - promise to aid Santiago (1)
*Santiago - teasing nature (1), deceptively strong (1), 

Events: (5)
*Nicole hears the stone dislodged by Santiago (1)
*Loose ground gives way at her feet when she spins and Nicole falls over the cliff (1) 
*Nicole holds onto the rocky slopes (1)
*Santiago initiates dialogue (1)
*Santiago rescues Nicole from the cliff (1)

{{C|8}} used. Still at {{C|13}} altogether.

Also, one clarification please: is it permitted to spend more coins in the resolution than those earned? If so, I may have bought an additional trait for Nicole.

Finally, does anyone mind if I clear all of the posts from the dicelog, so we start with a fresh page.  The test posts disturb my sense of orderliness!

[[User:Neonwhite|Neonwhite]] 16:57, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

==== EvilCat ====

That answer is: no, you can't add coins from wealth to bonus coins. See panel on revised pg. 109, clause 7. In 1st edition book it's less obvious, but still there (pg.62, clause 7, emphasis "Winning player used Coins ''received''").

[[User:EvilCat|EvilCat]] 18:52, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

==== EvilCat ====

To avoid stalling, the next is GiacomoArt's outcome narration, then my normal turn. [[User:EvilCat|EvilCat]] 21:48, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

=== GiacomoArt ===

Not going to bother putting it in prose: just assign a couple of traits to Nicole:

* Doesn't give a fig about any promise given under duress.
* Wants Santiago's blood (x2)

That's all {{C|3}} for the complication. Back to {{C|19}}.

[[User:GiacomoArt|GiacomoArt]] 01:36, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

=== EvilCat ===
Well, I pass this time. With this coin count, I'm only effective in a complication, and I don't want to start one more in this scene. [[User:EvilCat|EvilCat]] 09:51, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

=== NeonWhite ===
''Santiago sees the fury still burning in Nicole's eyes and grips his sabre more tightly.  '''"If she does come for me, I will leave her beautiful corpse for the crabs,"''' he thinks to himself.  '''"Her passing will be so swift and so sweet.  For now, I will keep her where I can see her.''' ''

''Watching her carefully, he sips carefully from his wineskin, sighing in appreciation as the water cools his parched throat.
''
'''"Want a drink?"'''


Traits for Santiago:
*Alert to risk of betrayal from Nicole (1 coin)
*Lightning fast reflexes (1 coin)

Components:
*Wineskin contains fresh water (1 coin)

[[User:Neonwhite|Neonwhite]] 10:38, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

=== GiacomoArt ===

Sorry for the delay. Very full three-day weekend.

''Nicole snorted at the taunting offer, the dry rasp in her voice betraying her thirst even as spoke. "Like I need more water," she said, rolling her eyes, as she reached down to wring the water from the hem of her still sodden shirt. Noticing the interest in his eyes as the maneuver bared a bit of her stomach, she deepened her scowl and turned her back on him, taking a few steps away. "What I really want right now is some dry clothes. So what's a girl supposed to do to 'help' you, anyway?" she asked suspisciously as she continued wringing out her shirt. It crept higher up the small of her back as she gathered more of the material. "Can you at least let me go somewhere I can lay this out to dry without your eyes all over me? It's indecent what you can see through it this way."''

Nicole
* clothes are soaked
Event: Nicole converses with Santiago

{{C|2}}. Down to {{C|17}}.

[[User:GiacomoArt|GiacomoArt]] 03:55, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

=== EvilCat ===
Neon's turn. You have a dialog, and I would pass anyway. [[User:EvilCat|EvilCat]] 09:28, 4 May 2009 (UTC)


=== NeonWhite ===

Santiago looked up to the sunny sky, ''"I wouldn't have thought you were the shy type... You ought to dry soon enough".''

''"I figure we need to find some way to get off this island.  Find some inhabitants, a town perhaps?  If not then perhaps a passing ship if we get lucky.  Either way I am a stranger to these seas, so perhaps you have a better idea how to proceed than I..."''

I suggest we cut the scene shortly, unless there is something more to be accomplished here.  I initiated dialogue two turns ago, so it shouldn't cost me a coin this time, nor G a coin last turn.

[[Special:Contributions/85.118.26.166|85.118.26.166]] 10:29, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

=== Thrown Dagger Complication ===

==== GiacomoArt ====

''Nicole muttered under her breath, remaining where she was, but pulling her shirt way up now as she continued wringing water from it, doing her best to stir the man's imagination with hopes of a show. "Just because I'm not overly modest," she scowled, half turning to him in a way that kept her chest hidden as much by her arm as her half-raised shirt, but managed to offer an excellent view of her athletic stomach, "doesn't mean I want ''you'' to see it. And besides, it's not really about me," she added as the hand she was intentionally keeping shielded from him behind her half-turned body silently unsheathed her dagger. "I was just trying to give you one more way out."''

'''Rules Gimmick:''' {{C|1}} turns a "possessed item" trait into an actual component, still possessed by its owner. (That's the way I always figured it should work, but I don't recall it being formalized anywhere.)

'''Nicole'''
*blademaster {{C|1}}
*deadly accurate {{C|1}}
*fights dirty{{C|1}}
*seductive wiles {{C|1}}
*sleight of hand skill{{C|1}}

'''Nicole's off-hand dagger''' {{C|1}} 
*balanced for throwing {{C|1}} 
*masterwork weapon {{C|1}} 
*razor sharp {{C|1}} 

'''Total:''' {{C|9}}. With the one back from extending the conversation, that brings me down to {{C|9}}.

'''Complication:''' Nicole is throwing her dagger from several paces away, trying to bury it in Santiago's flesh.

'''Toward Nicole's Dice Pool:'''

1) Named character (1D)

2) Surprise Maneuver (4D)
*seductive wiles (toward surprise maneuver)
*beautiful (toward surprise maneuver)
*fights dirty (toward surprise maneuver)
*sleight of hand skill (toward surprise maneuver)
3) The Dagger (3D) I'm not counting it's role as a weapon, since that's what allows her to attack from a distance at all)
*balanced for throwing (from the weapon)
*masterwork weapon (from the weapon)
*razor sharp (from the weapon)
4) Weapon Skill (2D)
* blademaster
* deadly accurate
5) Ferocity of the Attack (2D)
* wants Santiago's blood (x2)
6) Physical Condition (-2D) As I'm sure it'll be brought up to counter the dice-pool penalty Santiago's going to get… :oD
*sore
* tired
Total: 10 dice

'''Against Santiago's Dice Pool:'''

1) Vulnerable to Nicole's Seductive Wiles (-2D)
*attracted to Nicole (x2)

Also, unless the rules state I have to (again, I don't have them with to check), I'm not relinquishing my turn with this complication. There's more important stuff to come, it just can't be resolved until this has been.

[[User:GiacomoArt|GiacomoArt]] 16:18, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

==== EvilCat ====
Here's my rules evaluation:
* In revised RAW, you can separate a possession trait and cross the ownership with a coin (pg.66). Separating it without breaking ownership should cost one coin less, but you've actually separated them via throw (this, or an event, should signify Nicole's action). I'd say one more coin is required from you.
* "After the complication starts, turns proceed normally, except for..." (pg. 93 of revised rules, didn't change across editions). So, your turn actually ends.
* But - you ''can'' draw upon dagger's role, there is a very similar example in the book, pg.113 %)

I have nothing more to add, Neon's turn.
[[User:EvilCat|EvilCat]] 19:13, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

==== GiacomoArt ====
I'm willing to go with that possessions interpretation. Dropping the rules gimmick and paying another coin for the separation, then, still leaves me at {{C|9}}, and adding the dagger role to Nicole's dice count brings it up to 11.
[[User:GiacomoArt|GiacomoArt]] 22:59, 5 May 2009 (UTC)


=== NeonWhite ===

Alert to the danger and on-edge from vivid memories of recent betrayal, Santiago will try to see the threat, beat her to the draw and foil her throw with a slash of his sabre.  I figure she is clearly in sword range, neither of them having moved since he pulled her up from the cliff, and also presumably being close enough for him to offer her a drink.

As such, I see the following for Santiago:

* named character (+1)

Detecting Nicole's attempted deception:
*alert to risk of betrayal (+1)
*recently betrayed (+1)
*calculating mind (+1)
*attracted to Nicole (-2)
*highly perceptive (+1) (new)

Pre-empting her attack: 
*lightning fast reflexes (+1)
*skilled with a sword (+1)
*sabre (+1)

Total: 6 dice for Santiago


In the above, I have purchased 'highly perceptive' for a coin for Santiago (10 - 1 = 9 coins left).

I will also spend 2 coins to introduce two armed sailors (9-2 = 7 coins left). 

''Two armed sailors suddenly emerge from the foliage nearby.   Armed with pistol and sword, they brandish them at the pair and order them to surrender.''

armed sailors (intimidation effect):
*melee weaponx2
*pistolx2

Total: 4 dice for the sailors.

10 dice in total for my side of the complication.

7 coins left for me.

Also, I challenge the two dice for 'wants Santiago's blood' as not being relevant to a dagger throw (if anything it should help Santiago read her intent more clearly and might offer her penalty dice). I say we leave it at zero for that trait. This would bring Nicole's pool back to 9 dice.

Finally, this might be splitting hairs, however razor-sharp for Nicole's dagger would only come into play if it actually hit. What do you think?

[[User:Neonwhite|Neonwhite]] 11:25, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

=== EvilCat ===

Now I ''have'' something to add on my turn, but I have a bus in a half-hour. I will reply in less than 24 hours, please, don't resolve the complication without me. [[User:EvilCat|EvilCat]] 14:25, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

=== GiacomoArt ===

Things I'd like to hear EvilCat's opinion on:

*I read "calculating mind" as careful planning, not being perceptive. Don't really think it applies.

*Likewise, I have my doubts about "recently betrayed". That's not the same as saying he's alert for further betrayal in general, or that he's suspiscious of Nicole in specific.

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Things I'm  very opinionated about:

'''#1:''' Re: the dagger's sharpness, Universalis doesn't separate complications into "to hit" and damage phases -- and if resolving a complication automatically completes your turn, trying to separate "to hit" and "damage" phases without the game's blessing becomes pretty much impossible.

'''#2:''' Nicole is ticked. She is royally ticked, right on the verge of a blind, berserk fury. She is a strong willed, bloodthirsty pirate queen, who rose to a position of power and infamy in a world where all the cards are stacked against any woman doing so. She has had to face down and outfight countless men to get where she is, and she's not about to play the good little submissive now just because the ground gave out from under her at the wrong moment. I cannot imagine anything that would anger her more than for some patronizing stranger to pop up out of nowhere and suddenly demand that she now be his servant. I had imagined Nicole and Santiago getting along famously, but ever since a simple stealth roll got turned into this cruel twist, I've been trying to work up ways to justify NOT having Nicole just bury her dagger in Santiago's throat and be done with it.

Anger = adrenalin = strength = easier flesh piercing. The complication explicitly states, "Nicole is … trying to bury [her dagger] in Santiago's flesh." The "wants blood" dice apply.

'''#3:''' The complication was specifically worded as "Nicole is throwing her dagger from several paces away…", and I narrated her stepping back as part of the set-up (just as I carefully narrated foreshadowing to her seductive wiles use). Personally, I don't believes it's a necessary to first establish the distance as a separate fact to set up the complication I envisioned, but if EC begs to differ with me, I will now spend the coin needed to do that. Regardless, the saber and the saber skill do not apply.

'''#4:''' As a complete "deus ex machina", the sailors should be introduced as their own complication later, if at all. There's no time for them to show up and intercede in the split second it takes to launch the dagger. Absolute tops, you could get 2 dice out of their firearms, and if NW does manage to push through making them part of the complication, I promise that Nicole's own crew will pop up right behind them with guns already blazing.

[[User:GiacomoArt|GiacomoArt]] 18:36, 6 May 2009 (UTC)